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Journal Entry: Thu Nov 12, 2009, 8:00 PM


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  • Mood: Peaceful
  • Listening to: Blue Ridge Mountains by Fleet Foxes
  • Reading: 1984, Animal Farm, the World Accoding to Garp
  • Watching: Next Iron Chef (Garces has it in the bag, bitches)
  • Playing: Red Faction: Guerilla
  • Eating: halloween candeh
  • Drinking: Watah

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  • Current Residence: reality
  • deviantWEAR sizing preference: whatever fits? I dunno.
  • Print preference: lolwhut!?
  • Interests: gaming, literature, food
  • Favourite movie: Enemy At the Gates
  • Favourite band or musician: Pink Floyd, the Who, and Modest Mouse
  • Favourite genre of music: Rock. Just not the new stuff like Slipknot or Linkin Park. SoaD is okay though. . . .
  • Favourite artist: IRL: Monet or Van Gogh. dA: Cen and Strop
  • Favourite poet or writer: Eoin Colfer, Dante Alghieri, Edgar Allen Poe
  • Favourite style of art: surrealism
  • Operating System: Windows XP
  • MP3 player of choice: iPod
  • Shell of choice: a nutshell
  • Skin of choice: Ummmm. . .I like my skin.
  • Favourite game: Final Fantasy Four
  • Favourite gaming platform: Xbox 360
  • Favourite cartoon character: Butters!
  • Personal Quote: "I'm too perfect for Narcissism."
  • Tools of the Trade: depends on the trade.

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:iconvbaadmin:
Is George accepting new followers?

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:iconthisisnotanalt:
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:iconreader2951:
I have a proposition to make to you.

I propose, to teach people the fundamentals of good debating, that we start a Socratic Club on AG, where we can educate people on the various forms of argument, the components of a good one, and logical fallacies. If all goes well, then we can even have contests where the two of us (since our viewpoints are basically on opposite ends of the spectrum) can judge winners for merit prizes. Not only can it be a good way to centralize debate, but it can also be a way to build a more conducive atmosphere for civil argument and debate beyond the usual one-liners and fallacies.

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:iconthisisnotanalt:
Mein Gott, you have an idea there.

I'd love to, and if it catches on it could have at least somewhat of an influence on the intelligence level of the world events forum.

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:iconreader2951:
I'm considering asking Zootsuit riot and Snakebite if they'd like to come along and help lead.

I'm thinking of using a format like they use for more collegiate debate settings. How it works:

1. Both sides give a summary of their viewpoint, provide appropriate definitions, etc.
2. The first person starts off with their evidence and main points.
3. The second person gives a rebuttal.
4. Then the second person gives their evidence and main points.
5. The first person gives their rebuttal.

The process is repeated once more, and then both give a conclusion. The judges then judge based on cogency of thought, number of fallacies, skill with rhetoric, skill with rebuttal, and overall effectiveness of argument, and declare a winner.

The main problems I see is that it may feel a bit restrictive at first and that the topics will be too serious. I have a few ideas to combat this though.

1. Competitions may be started on a separate thread. After the winner is declared, additional discussion may be done on that separate thread.
2. We may choose some less serious topics for competitions, for example, the merits of cannibalism or the virtues of bacon.

I'm planning to at least give an overview of the rhetorical triangle (speaker, audience, and subject), the three modes of persuasion (pathos, logos, and ethos), and the different types of argument (classical, Rogerian, and Toulmin), before kickstarting the debate contests.

Do you have any suggestions to make?

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Anything is possible with determination, vision, and an endless supply of cheap expendable labor.

Save a cow. Eat a vegetarian.
:iconthisisnotanalt:
You've thought this out quite thoroughly :)

also, I think there should be stricter rules than there are in the forums - you should actually tell the other person you're conceding if you quit, you should always use proper grammar and spelling, etc.

And I think that teaching the different types of persuasion, arguing, etc. would be great.

I'd say that me, Zoot, you, and Snakebite would be a great leadership team for this. Have you asked them yet?

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:iconreader2951:
Oh yes, I'm planning to tell a mod (in this case, Moegreche the genius) to see what he thinks as well. Let's hope this takes off!

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Anything is possible with determination, vision, and an endless supply of cheap expendable labor.

Save a cow. Eat a vegetarian.
:iconreader2951:
I'll be shooting them a comment shortly.

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Anything is possible with determination, vision, and an endless supply of cheap expendable labor.

Save a cow. Eat a vegetarian.

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